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Sammo

Sep 22 2004, 11:28 PM

Hi

I read this in Brother Stephen Cox's article The Angels that Sinned:

QUOTE

However, at the time Peter and Jude wrote, 'Lucifer' was never used as a name for the devil. In fact Peter's own "day star" (2 Peter 1:19, meaning Christ) was rendered 'Lucifer' in Latin Bibles, and as a result in the early church 'Lucifer' was considered as a title of Christ, sung to in early hymns, and taken as a personal name by several bishops.

I think this is fabulous evidence against the devil, but would be much more convincing if I could back it up with some sources.

Does anyone have any early church quotes that prove this?

Cheers,
Sam

Adanac

Sep 22 2004, 11:53 PM

Check out here for instance.

You might also want to look at this.

luke

Sep 23 2004, 01:16 AM

I just downloaded the Latin Vulgate from e-Sword, and here are the two times that the word 'lucifer' is used:

QUOTE (Isa 14:12)

quomodo cecidisti de caelo lucifer qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes

QUOTE (2Peter 1:19)

et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris

This is what 2 Peter 1:19 says in Greek (with Strong's No.s): -

QUOTE (GNT)

και2532 εχομεν2192 βεβαιοτερον949 τον3588 προφητικον4397 λογον3056 ω3739 καλως2573 ποιειτε4160 προσεχοντες4337 ως5613 λυχνω3088 φαινοντι5316 εν1722 αυχμηρω850 τοπω5117 εως2193 ου3757 ημερα2250 διαυγαση1306 και2532 φωσφορος5459 ανατειλη393 εν1722 ταις3588 καρδιαις2588 υμων5216

The word in bold is the word 'phōsphoros' that the article Adanac linked to talks about. It's the word that the Vulgate translates as 'lucifer'.

Sammo

Sep 23 2004, 01:16 AM

Thanks Adanac.

I did a bit more work myself, and came up with this...

The main bishop called Lucifer seems to be this guy, Bishop Lucifer of Cagliari. It's amazing that the Catholic Encyclopedia doesn't even raise an eyebrow at his *ahem* rather notable name! (But they do manage to advertise $200 worth of merchandise...)

Evidence that Lucifer was an early title of Christ is 2 Peter 1:19 in the Vulgate, which I should have looked at earlier

QUOTE

et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris

Sam

Sammo

Sep 23 2004, 01:17 AM

Oh. Snap!

HisServant

Sep 23 2004, 02:50 AM

Searching my Latin Vulgate, I found one more that Luke apparently overlooked.

QUOTE

Job 11:17 et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut lucifer

luke

Sep 23 2004, 08:42 AM

It's odd that - my e-Sword doesn't pick it up, but it's there when I turn up the reference.

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