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#1 InChristAlways

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:13 PM

Why muslims believe our book of revelation is not "inspired". It depicts our Lord Jesus as a mass "murderer" :fence:

http://www.christian...he-prophet.html

quote muslim: I dont get it.

We have Christians trying to tell us Jesus was meek and would not shed a drop of blood. Yea he was a Lamb brought to the slaughterhouse without much of a noise from him. So far so nice...

Then suddenly, we read here Christians who push the book of revelation which they depict Jesus as coming to 'judge and make war', who wore a 'robe stained with blood' who from his mouth 'came as sharp sword' who will 'trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God'. And after all the slaughter, you read the angels calling the birds to eat "the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great" (Revelation 19)

What a tragedy. Christians turning the Lamb into a slaughter machine?? :shades:

Edited by InChristAlways, 06 April 2006 - 08:13 PM.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the DAYS of VENGEANCE, that ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN may be FULFILLED1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL THINGS is NIGH at Hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.!

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:25 PM

Why muslims believe our book of revelation is not "inspired". It depicts our Lord Jesus as a mass "murderer" :fence:

http://www.christian...he-prophet.html

quote muslim: I dont get it.

We have Christians trying to tell us Jesus was meek and would not shed a drop of blood. Yea he was a Lamb brought to the slaughterhouse without much of a noise from him. So far so nice...

Then suddenly, we read here Christians who push the book of revelation which they depict Jesus as coming to 'judge and make war', who wore a 'robe stained with blood' who from his mouth 'came as sharp sword' who will 'trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God'. And after all the slaughter, you read the angels calling the birds to eat "the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great" (Revelation 19)

What a tragedy. Christians turning the Lamb into a slaughter machine?? :shades:


This isn't going to sound very PC, but to be perfectly honest I don't really care what they think.

And considering the track record of Islam through the centuries, they're hardly in a position to be pointing the finger.
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#3 InChristAlways

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 08:55 PM


Why muslims believe our book of revelation is not "inspired". It depicts our Lord Jesus as a mass "murderer" :fence:

http://www.christian...he-prophet.html

quote muslim: I dont get it.

We have Christians trying to tell us Jesus was meek and would not shed a drop of blood. Yea he was a Lamb brought to the slaughterhouse without much of a noise from him. So far so nice...

Then suddenly, we read here Christians who push the book of revelation which they depict Jesus as coming to 'judge and make war', who wore a 'robe stained with blood' who from his mouth 'came as sharp sword' who will 'trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God'. And after all the slaughter, you read the angels calling the birds to eat "the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great" (Revelation 19)

What a tragedy. Christians turning the Lamb into a slaughter machine?? :shades:


This isn't going to sound very PC, but to be perfectly honest I don't really care what they think.

And considering the track record of Islam through the centuries, they're hardly in a position to be pointing the finger.

LOL. The jews are finally coming in and battling the muslims on their interpretation of the Scriptures also.
I was at first picking on the muslims, but I am also starting to pick on the jews and their pagan Talmud along with "Mess-ianics" and "Noachide" jew wannabees. Pretty exciting. :thumbsup:
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:04 PM

How about picking on your own interpretation of Scripture?
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:09 PM

How about picking on your own interpretation of Scripture?

Mine? What about God's interpretation? I have seen your interpretations and I won't bother to comment on them [I will let Lectron do that], but I would deem it a challenge to debate muslims and jews on revelation and perhaps clear up a lot of the confusion on it between all 3 Religions. Peace.

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Edited by InChristAlways, 06 April 2006 - 09:10 PM.

Luke 21:22 "For these are the DAYS of VENGEANCE, that ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN may be FULFILLED1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL THINGS is NIGH at Hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.!

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:14 PM

But this is what I don't get. Why debate them on Revelation? It's not part of the canon of the Jewish or Muslim Bibles so what is the point?
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 09:20 PM

Why muslims believe our book of revelation is not "inspired". It depicts our Lord Jesus as a mass "murderer" icon_eek.gif

http://www.christian...he-prophet.html

quote muslim: I dont get it.

We have Christians trying to tell us Jesus was meek and would not shed a drop of blood. Yea he was a Lamb brought to the slaughterhouse without much of a noise from him. So far so nice...

Then suddenly, we read here Christians who push the book of revelation which they depict Jesus as coming to 'judge and make war', who wore a 'robe stained with blood' who from his mouth 'came as sharp sword' who will 'trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God'. And after all the slaughter, you read the angels calling the birds to eat "the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great" (Revelation 19)

What a tragedy. Christians turning the Lamb into a slaughter machine??

But this is what I don't get. Why debate them on Revelation? It's not part of the canon of the Jewish or Muslim Bibles so what is the point?

What is the point of debating revelation between Christians if we can't get the muslims and jews in on the "Action"? Looking at some of the Endtime forums, I would say Christianity is more confused than even Islam is on the Endtimes. The best part is, Islam believe Christ is coming back also. :coffee: So it is our view verses Muhammad "science fiction" view.
Anyway, watching jews, muslims and christians getting it on with Scripture is more exciting than watching christians professing their expertise on the Endtimes.
Luke 21:22 "For these are the DAYS of VENGEANCE, that ALL THINGS which are WRITTEN may be FULFILLED1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL THINGS is NIGH at Hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.!

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 09:06 AM

Just believing "CHRIST IS COMING BACK" doesn't really mean much in itself. Even Robert Maxwell (or some newspaper baron) believed in Christ's return, so he made sure he was buried on the Mount of Olives so he could be resurrected and see it all. However in itself, I think true Christianity is much more than this.

Also Christ's return will see the destruction of evil doers and those that destroy the earth. Yes, it will be a terrible time of judgment. I don't have a problem with that. I don't understand why Muslims do?
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 09:20 AM

I remember hearing that Robert Maxwell was buried on the Mount of Olives.
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Posted 29 May 2009 - 11:57 PM

Why muslims believe our book of revelation is not "inspired". It depicts our Lord Jesus as a mass "murderer" :)

http://www.christian...he-prophet.html

quote muslim: I dont get it.

We have Christians trying to tell us Jesus was meek and would not shed a drop of blood. Yea he was a Lamb brought to the slaughterhouse without much of a noise from him. So far so nice...

Then suddenly, we read here Christians who push the book of revelation which they depict Jesus as coming to 'judge and make war', who wore a 'robe stained with blood' who from his mouth 'came as sharp sword' who will 'trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God'. And after all the slaughter, you read the angels calling the birds to eat "the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great" (Revelation 19)

What a tragedy. Christians turning the Lamb into a slaughter machine?? :shades:

It is another example of the natural man reading what is spiritual, literally. Another reason we know the Quran is not from God it is a total misinterpretation of the old testament and parts of the new by a literalist.
"and will smite every HORSE OF THE PEOPLE with blindness"

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:17 AM

Why muslims believe our book of revelation is not "inspired". It depicts our Lord Jesus as a mass "murderer" :)

http://www.christian...he-prophet.html

quote muslim: I dont get it.

We have Christians trying to tell us Jesus was meek and would not shed a drop of blood. Yea he was a Lamb brought to the slaughterhouse without much of a noise from him. So far so nice...

Then suddenly, we read here Christians who push the book of revelation which they depict Jesus as coming to 'judge and make war', who wore a 'robe stained with blood' who from his mouth 'came as sharp sword' who will 'trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God'. And after all the slaughter, you read the angels calling the birds to eat "the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great" (Revelation 19)

What a tragedy. Christians turning the Lamb into a slaughter machine?? :shades:


This isn't going to sound very PC, but to be perfectly honest I don't really care what they think.

And considering the track record of Islam through the centuries, they're hardly in a position to be pointing the finger.

Hi Evangelion I agree with you after reading their so called "Holy Book" I believe it was written by the flesh and for the flesh

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:40 AM

Just believing "CHRIST IS COMING BACK" doesn't really mean much in itself. Even Robert Maxwell (or some newspaper baron) believed in Christ's return, so he made sure he was buried on the Mount of Olives so he could be resurrected and see it all. However in itself, I think true Christianity is much more than this.

Also Christ's return will see the destruction of evil doers and those that destroy the earth. Yes, it will be a terrible time of judgment. I don't have a problem with that. I don't understand why Muslims do?



probably they think he's trying to steal their job away from them :) jihad on the infidels
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 12:39 PM

Just believing "CHRIST IS COMING BACK" doesn't really mean much in itself. Even Robert Maxwell (or some newspaper baron) believed in Christ's return, so he made sure he was buried on the Mount of Olives so he could be resurrected and see it all. However in itself, I think true Christianity is much more than this.

Also Christ's return will see the destruction of evil doers and those that destroy the earth. Yes, it will be a terrible time of judgment. I don't have a problem with that. I don't understand why Muslims do?



probably they think he's trying to steal their job away from them :) jihad on the infidels

I like that

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 09:01 PM

Dear All

I think the problem is that the Muslim who produced the first comment on the Revelation did so tongue-in-cheek, finding it an easy comment to make, and feeling no desire to actually attempt to understand the document on which he was commenting. There is no point in taking it as indicative of "How Muslims understand the Revelation".

What is going on is that the Muslim concerned has found a place to hang a cheap jibe at Christians. Some Muslims, who don't think very clearly about things, may take it as a serious comment. Far more will find that if they give it to Christians this produces confusion in the Christian and leaves them unable to carry on with the argument. The Muslim will then claim a victory and move on without the thought that the text they have been using may in reality have a meaning which, had they understood it, would have taken them a step nearer to the truth and eternal life.

Sometimes there is a way of reversing the situation and challenging the Muslim to stop for a moment and think; it is useful to try to find one for every passage that the Muslim quotes.

We saw something similar with Ibrahim/Eliyah's comment on the sign of Jonah:

"For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)

Muslims argue that Jesus can't have been killed because Jonah did not die. This, of course, is nonsense, but it often makes Christians give up for a while so that they can think of an answer, and in this time the Muslim declares a victory and moves on. One point to make here is to ask what the significance of the three days is. Clearly Jesus was three days out of sight of the earth; what was he doing? No problem here; Jesus is fortelling three days in the tomb.

If the Muslim attempted to understand the saying, he would have to conclude that it is really about the death and resurrection of Jesus. Muslims are very keen, however, not to engage their brains at this point.

In the case of the saying from the Revelation, the Muslim is attempting to suggest that Christians are horrible people because they believe in a book which says that Jesus will make war on the wicked. However, this is the whole point of judgement. It might be worthwhile asking the Muslim if, given the point they make, they are denying that there will be a day of judgement. Should they say that they are indicating such a denial, then they are kaffir and are in danger of being killed by other Muslims. If they follow the standard Muslim line and indicate that they do believe in the day of judgement, then there is no problem with the Revelation; the wicked will be killed, including all those who do not have faith in the real Christ Jesus.

Essentially there is no point in responding to this observation unless one can get the Muslim to think about the real implications of what he is saying.

Yours

John the Bearded

Edited by John the Bearded, 01 June 2009 - 09:05 PM.





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