Bells And Pomegranates
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 09:04 PM
#2
Posted 29 November 2004 - 09:37 PM
Adanac, on Nov 29 2004, 02:04 PM, said:
First things to ask yourself-
-What was the color of the embroidery of the pomegranates? Do the colors signify anything in particular?
-What is the color and physical characteristics (inside and out) of the pomegranate? (Google its image if you don't know)
-Are the seeds healthful or toxic?
-Where else is the pomegranate mentioned in the Bible? Does it have a special symbolism?
-When are the pomegranates harvested and is there a connection between the harvest and a particular Jewish high holy day?
-After thinking about all of these, take your mind back to the Garden of Eden. Does this tree have any special significance?
The pomegranate is a fascinating study. Let me know what you come up with. If you don't have time, I'll post what I have come up with. I'm doing a personal study of the plants of the Bible and their spiritual significance. It is mind blowing what the scriptures reveal...
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 10:16 PM
#4
Posted 29 November 2004 - 10:55 PM
Any chance I can have a butcher's at your notes Keturah?
#5
Posted 29 November 2004 - 11:43 PM
Physical description:

The pomegranate is a low growing shrubby tree that can reach with age 20-30 feet tall and wide. It is long lived with records of specimens lasting over two centuries. The spiny branches have a suckered growth pattern. It has bright green glossy leaves with very showy coral red flowers. Large fruits filled with hundreds of blood red juicy seeds form and are ready for harvest in 5-7 months. In fall after the harvest, the leaves turn a vibrant yellow as if a burning bush and then drop for the winter.
The pomegranate is a refreshing delicacy for those in a thirsty hot land. The seeds are eaten directly or crushed to extract their sweet-tart juice. It is one of the most labor intensive fruits to consume.
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The white multitudenous seeds are clothed in red all within the red fruit...
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Exodus 28:33 – on the hem of the priest’s blue robe, colored blue, purple and scarlet
Numbers 13:23 – spies brought back pomegranates from the land of Canaan
Deuteronomy 8:8 – one of the choice produce of the promised land
I Kings 7:18 – bronze decoration in the capitals of the Temple’s pillars
Song of Solomon 4:3 – beauty
Song of Solomon 4:13, 6:11, 7:12 – choice tree in ‘the garden’
Joel 1:12 – prosperity (trees of the field) dried up
Haggai 2:19 – ‘Is the seed still in the barn?’ – not fruited yet
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I found this interesting quote
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"May it be Your will O Lord our God and the God of Our Fathers, that our good deeds will increase like the seeds of the pomegranate."
”Generally, the bloody color of the pomegranate and its juice links it to the eating of flesh. Also, because in Jewish tradition the pomegranate is linked to the Jewish people themselves, a cannibalistic image might also be conjured.”
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After being taken out of the Garden of Eden and faced with adversity, what could Adam and Eve see just beyond the cherubim? What was the eye-catching color and what did it represent? Think about the pomegranate’s red multitudenously seeded fruits growing amongst thorny branches and when fall arrives, the Keeper of the Garden harvests the choice fruit and then the leaves turn to fire and nothing perishable is left. Did that image give them the reassurance of their redemption and hope in the promised Seed?
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 11:52 PM
Adanac, on Nov 29 2004, 03:55 PM, said:
Any chance I can have a butcher's at your notes Keturah?
pomegranate:
Hebrew: rimmon from the root ramam, to rise, exalt, get up, lift up (self), mount up
apple:
Hebrew: tappuach from the root naphach, to puff, inflate, blow hard, scatter, kindle, expire, blow, breath, give up, cause to lose [life], seething, snuff
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29 Since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the LORD ,
30 since they would not accept my advice
and spurned my rebuke,
31 they will eat the fruit of their ways
and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them,
and the complacency of fools will destroy them;
33 but whoever listens to me will live in safety
and be at ease, without fear of harm."
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A voice says, "Call out."
Then he answered, "What shall I call out?"
All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field.
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The grass withers, the flower fades,
When the breath of the LORD blows upon it;
Surely the people are grass.
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The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.
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Scarcely have they been planted,
Scarcely have they been sown,
Scarcely has their stock taken root in the earth,
But He merely blows on them, and they wither,
And the storm carries them away like stubble.
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He gives strength to the weary,
And to him who lacks might He increases power.
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Though youths grow weary and tired,
And vigorous young men stumble badly,
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Yet those who wait for the LORD
Will gain new strength;
They will mount up with wings like eagles,
They will run and not get tired,
They will walk and not become weary.
:coffee:
#7
Posted 30 November 2004 - 12:51 AM
Well deserved cup of coffee Keturah!
Most interesting set of posts
....by grace you are saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus to good works ....
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 12:54 AM
#9
Posted 16 February 2005 - 05:59 AM
Adanac, on Nov 29 2004, 02:04 PM, said:
It was put forward that the bells could be heard from the outside of the holy of holies. When the bells would cease with their sound for an extended period of time, the people would know that the high priest was found unacceptable to God and struck dead. Jewish tradition has that a rope was tied around the ankle of the high priest so in case of this situation the dead body could be retrieved from the holy place. If this is true it is a neat contrast with Hebrews 6:19-20
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 02:07 PM
Keturah, on Feb 15 2005, 10:59 PM, said:
Adanac, on Nov 29 2004, 02:04 PM, said:
It was put forward that the bells could be heard from the outside of the holy of holies. When the bells would cease with their sound for an extended period of time, the people would know that the high priest was found unacceptable to God and struck dead. Jewish tradition has that a rope was tied around the ankle of the high priest so in case of this situation the dead body could be retrieved from the holy place. If this is true it is a neat contrast with Hebrews 6:19-20
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I think the pomegranates are a symbol of purity. As you mentioned previously, if the prient was not pure, he would be found dead - as a penalty for sin.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 02:29 PM
It seems to link in with another verse in Hebrews too:
Heb. 9 v 28
"...and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
Like the faithful waited at the tabernacle door for the high priest to emerge and pronounce them forgiven (uttering the words of the priestly blessing, Num. 6?), so we wait for the signs that our high priest is about to reappear too.
Nice thoughts.
#12 Guest_Cy Ibralem_*
Posted 02 February 2006 - 03:12 PM
Not at home to look at my notes.
But, I seem to remember that the pomegrantate has 12 sections also.
12 for the tribes of Israel - The goverment of the Kingdom - The apostles on 12 thrones.
I need to check my notes to be sure though.
Cy
#13 Guest_Cy Ibralem_*
Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:24 PM
Pomegranates - The Fruit of Jesus' sacrifice. When cut open it exudes RED Juice. Its skin is Purpleish in color, suggestive of God Manifestation and royalty. It was prominent on the hem of the Priest's garments and on the chapiters of the pillars in Solomon's temple, thus representing the King-Priest of teh Kingdom age. It has a white membrane (righteousness), cut through, it has 12 sections and pearl white seeds (Isa 53:10) with red fluid.
Thus the pomegranetes and the bells to me speak of sacrifice and the joyful noise of the gospel.
Cy
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 05:58 PM
Solace, on May 30 2009, 10:50 AM, said:
You might find this interesting...
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