This scripture verse was recently brought up to prove the pre-existance of Christ. I feel it is speaking of messianic prophecy.
What is your opinion?
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 07:32 PM
"the Spirit of messiah within them foretold all the suffering of messiah and his after-glory, and they pondered when or how this was to come;" (1Pe1:11)
This scripture verse was recently brought up to prove the pre-existance of Christ. I feel it is speaking of messianic prophecy.
What is your opinion?
This scripture verse was recently brought up to prove the pre-existance of Christ. I feel it is speaking of messianic prophecy.
What is your opinion?
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 08:04 PM
My opinion is that the spelling mistake in the topic title needs fixing. I have done so 
"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect..." (Heb 12:22-23)
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 08:09 PM
nsr, on Aug 7 2009, 03:04 PM, said:
My opinion is that the spelling mistake in the topic title needs fixing. I have done so
Okay thanks! What did I originally write?
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 08:29 PM
Existance.
"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect..." (Heb 12:22-23)
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 08:30 PM
Abishua, on Aug 7 2009, 08:32 PM, said:
"the Spirit of messiah within them foretold all the suffering of messiah and his after-glory, and they pondered when or how this was to come;" (1Pe1:11)
This scripture verse was recently brought up to prove the pre-existance of Christ. I feel it is speaking of messianic prophecy.
What is your opinion?
This scripture verse was recently brought up to prove the pre-existance of Christ. I feel it is speaking of messianic prophecy.
What is your opinion?
V 11 says that it was "the Spirit of Christ" which indicated these things to them. We know that the prophets were inspired to write what they did by means of the Holy Spirit, the power of God which drove them to convey the words God wanted. V 12 actually tells us that this is how God works: "...these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven". Evidently what Peter calls "the Spirit of Christ" in v 11 is the same as "the Holy Spirit sent from heaven" in v 12.
So why does Peter refer to the Holy Spirit in this way? Two suggestions:
1. It was the Spirit of Christ because the Holy Spirit was revealing things about Christ (not that it was coming from Christ, because of course Christ hadn't yet been born when the OT prophets spoke).
2. It was the Spirit of Christ because it was the same power from God by why Jesus spoke. Have a look at John 3 v 34, for instance: "He whom God has sent [Jesus] speaks the words of God; for He [God] gives the Spirit [to Jesus] without measure."
I hope that helps. This passage doesn't require Jesus to have been alive already as the OT prophets were prophesying.
And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.
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Posted 07 August 2009 - 09:55 PM
Evangelion, on Aug 7 2009, 10:40 PM, said:
I have never heard this quote used to prove the pre-existence of Christ. 
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Jeremy, you have explained it very well.
And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.
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