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[tedfrank7878]

I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one goes to the father except through me.
Jesus, John 14:6

He is literally saying that he is the truth and the life. He does not say he is a man or God, he says he is truth and life. How could it be more clear or direct?

Jesus is saying; if you know the truth and the life you know him.

Knowing the truth and true life (a.k.a. Jesus) is the way.

Jesus also says you have to go through him to get to God/heaven. In other words, you have to know the truth and the life before you can know God.

The truth + the life = God.

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[composer]

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained ; . . . . (Acts 17:31) KJV

Jesus was that man and messenger ordained by God to convey God's message and execute judgment on His behalf. (God manifestation)

Like the angel of Ex. 23:21 KJV, Jesus represented God but was never literally God Himself.

[IDF]

tedfrank7878, on May 4 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one goes to the father except through me.
Jesus, John 14:6

He is literally saying that he is the truth and the life. He does not say he is a man or God, he says he is truth and life. How could it be more clear or direct?

Jesus is saying; if you know the truth and the life you know him.

Knowing the truth and true life (a.k.a. Jesus) is the way.

Jesus also says you have to go through him to get to God/heaven. In other words, you have to know the truth and the life before you can know God.

The truth + the life = God.

Awesome Bro, couldn't be any simpler or ant clearer, but still, humans will be humans and can choose to miss the obvious regardless what we say, so we can't change everyones minds, it's just the world we live in, but , on the other hand, don't give up trying. God Bless

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[God&me]

composer, on May 4 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained ; . . . . (Acts 17:31) KJV

Jesus was that man and messenger ordained by God to convey God's message and execute judgment on His behalf. (God manifestation)

Like the angel of Ex. 23:21 KJV, Jesus represented God but was never literally God Himself.

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[tedfrank7878]

God&me, on May 4 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained ; . . . . (Acts 17:31) KJV

Jesus was that man and messenger ordained by God to convey God's message and execute judgment on His behalf. (God manifestation)

Like the angel of Ex. 23:21 KJV, Jesus represented God but was never literally God Himself.

Let me give you all of page 21;

I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one goes to the father except through me.
Jesus, John 14:6

He is literally saying that he is the truth and the life. He does not say he is a man or God, he says he is truth and life. How could it be more clear or direct?

Jesus is saying; if you know the truth and the life you know him.

Knowing the truth and true life (a.k.a. Jesus) is the way.

Jesus also says you have to go through him to get to God/heaven. In other words, you have to know the truth and the life before you can know God.

The truth + the life = God.

Jesus said, “You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.”

Jesus is saying the truth will set you free from your own mind, your false self. Jesus said, “I have overcome the world.” Jesus is saying the truth will overcome deception, the mind of the world.

Jesus said, "Your minds must be cleared of the falsehoods of this realm if you are to be taught Eternal Truth."

Christians that believe a bearded man in a sheet and sandals will greet them when they die are going to be disappointed. That Jesus, the man Jesus, no longer exists, but the truth and the life, the spiritual Jesus, does exist.

Jesus said, “The world will see me no more, but you will see me, because I live, you will live also, you are in me and I am in you.”

Jesus said, “I am in spirit and truth.” Again, what he says is perfectly clear.

The Bible says; You shall be like Jesus, for you shall see him as he is.

False Christians: People that do not know the truth and the life cannot call themselves Christians. Jesus says you have to know the truth and life to know him, be like him. It is what the Bible says literally; it is not an interpretation.

People that worship an image of a dead man do not know the truth and life.

Jesus said, “People honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. They worship me in vain, teaching the precepts and principles of men.”

[God&me]

tedfrank7878, on May 4 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

God&me, on May 4 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained ; . . . . (Acts 17:31) KJV

Jesus was that man and messenger ordained by God to convey God's message and execute judgment on His behalf. (God manifestation)

Like the angel of Ex. 23:21 KJV, Jesus represented God but was never literally God Himself.

Let me give you all of page 21;

I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one goes to the father except through me.
Jesus, John 14:6

He is literally saying that he is the truth and the life. He does not say he is a man or God, he says he is truth and life. How could it be more clear or direct?

Jesus is saying; if you know the truth and the life you know him.

Knowing the truth and true life (a.k.a. Jesus) is the way.

Jesus also says you have to go through him to get to God/heaven. In other words, you have to know the truth and the life before you can know God.

The truth + the life = God.

Jesus said, “You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.”

Jesus is saying the truth will set you free from your own mind, your false self. Jesus said, “I have overcome the world.” Jesus is saying the truth will overcome deception, the mind of the world.

Jesus said, "Your minds must be cleared of the falsehoods of this realm if you are to be taught Eternal Truth."

Christians that believe a bearded man in a sheet and sandals will greet them when they die are going to be disappointed. That Jesus, the man Jesus, no longer exists, but the truth and the life, the spiritual Jesus, does exist.

Jesus said, “The world will see me no more, but you will see me, because I live, you will live also, you are in me and I am in you.”

Jesus said, “I am in spirit and truth.” Again, what he says is perfectly clear.

The Bible says; You shall be like Jesus, for you shall see him as he is.

False Christians: People that do not know the truth and the life cannot call themselves Christians. Jesus says you have to know the truth and life to know him, be like him. It is what the Bible says literally; it is not an interpretation.

People that worship an image of a dead man do not know the truth and life.

Jesus said, “People honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. They worship me in vain, teaching the precepts and principles of men.”

The order is, [1] Knowing the truth. [2] knowing God. [3] Then have life. You cannot have live without knowing God.
Jesus said, This is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus whom thou has sent. Jn 17: 3.
John said, He that has the Son has life, he that doesn't have the Son doesn't have life. 1Jn 5: 12.

[tedfrank7878]

God&me, on May 4 2009, 12:37 PM, said:

tedfrank7878, on May 4 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

God&me, on May 4 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained ; . . . . (Acts 17:31) KJV

Jesus was that man and messenger ordained by God to convey God's message and execute judgment on His behalf. (God manifestation)

Like the angel of Ex. 23:21 KJV, Jesus represented God but was never literally God Himself.

Let me give you all of page 21;

I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one goes to the father except through me.
Jesus, John 14:6

He is literally saying that he is the truth and the life. He does not say he is a man or God, he says he is truth and life. How could it be more clear or direct?

Jesus is saying; if you know the truth and the life you know him.

Knowing the truth and true life (a.k.a. Jesus) is the way.

Jesus also says you have to go through him to get to God/heaven. In other words, you have to know the truth and the life before you can know God.

The truth + the life = God.

Jesus said, “You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.”

Jesus is saying the truth will set you free from your own mind, your false self. Jesus said, “I have overcome the world.” Jesus is saying the truth will overcome deception, the mind of the world.

Jesus said, "Your minds must be cleared of the falsehoods of this realm if you are to be taught Eternal Truth."

Christians that believe a bearded man in a sheet and sandals will greet them when they die are going to be disappointed. That Jesus, the man Jesus, no longer exists, but the truth and the life, the spiritual Jesus, does exist.

Jesus said, “The world will see me no more, but you will see me, because I live, you will live also, you are in me and I am in you.”

Jesus said, “I am in spirit and truth.” Again, what he says is perfectly clear.

The Bible says; You shall be like Jesus, for you shall see him as he is.

False Christians: People that do not know the truth and the life cannot call themselves Christians. Jesus says you have to know the truth and life to know him, be like him. It is what the Bible says literally; it is not an interpretation.

People that worship an image of a dead man do not know the truth and life.

Jesus said, “People honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. They worship me in vain, teaching the precepts and principles of men.”

The order is, [1] Knowing the truth. [2] knowing God. [3] Then have life. You cannot have live without knowing God.
Jesus said, This is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus whom thou has sent. Jn 17: 3.
John said, He that has the Son has life, he that doesn't have the Son doesn't have life. 1Jn 5: 12.

That is exactly what The Present says, that God as Jesus says is life itself that is with us always. Most so called Christian think they can only see God after they die, when God is here now. Most Christians worship a dead man, a graven image.

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[composer]

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

[tedfrank7878]

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

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[composer]

tedfrank7878, on May 5 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

. . . . the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John 14:10) KJV (My Bold)

Unless the God of Jesus gave Jesus life and authority, Jesus in himself would never have literally existed nor would Jesus have had any authority and in fact Jesus also admits he is totally incapable of having the inherent capacity to do any thing. -

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. (John 5:26 - 27) KJV

(NB: You can't ' give life ' to some thing that already literally exists.)

I can of mine own self do nothing: . . . . (John 5:30) KJV

Thank you

[granny]

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 02:54 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

Just because Jesus identifies himself as the truth and the life, it doesn't mean he is not also a man.
1Timothy 2:5
[indent]For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
[/indent]

[tedfrank7878]

granny, on May 5 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 02:54 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

Just because Jesus identifies himself as the truth and the life, it doesn't mean he is not also a man.
1Timothy 2:5
[indent]For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
[/indent]

As the book I quote points out on page 22, that man died two thosand years ago, but the truth and the life, the spirit and the truth. the things he says he is are here now. The point is not to worship a graven image of a man that died thosands of years ago.

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[God&me]

tedfrank7878, on May 4 2009, 10:15 PM, said:

God&me, on May 4 2009, 12:37 PM, said:

tedfrank7878, on May 4 2009, 07:42 PM, said:

God&me, on May 4 2009, 09:44 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 12:41 PM, said:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained ; . . . . (Acts 17:31) KJV

Jesus was that man and messenger ordained by God to convey God's message and execute judgment on His behalf. (God manifestation)

Like the angel of Ex. 23:21 KJV, Jesus represented God but was never literally God Himself.

Let me give you all of page 21;

I am the way, the truth and the life.
No one goes to the father except through me.
Jesus, John 14:6

He is literally saying that he is the truth and the life. He does not say he is a man or God, he says he is truth and life. How could it be more clear or direct?

Jesus is saying; if you know the truth and the life you know him.

Knowing the truth and true life (a.k.a. Jesus) is the way.

Jesus also says you have to go through him to get to God/heaven. In other words, you have to know the truth and the life before you can know God.

The truth + the life = God.

Jesus said, “You will know the truth and the truth will make you free.”

Jesus is saying the truth will set you free from your own mind, your false self. Jesus said, “I have overcome the world.” Jesus is saying the truth will overcome deception, the mind of the world.

Jesus said, "Your minds must be cleared of the falsehoods of this realm if you are to be taught Eternal Truth."

Christians that believe a bearded man in a sheet and sandals will greet them when they die are going to be disappointed. That Jesus, the man Jesus, no longer exists, but the truth and the life, the spiritual Jesus, does exist.

Jesus said, “The world will see me no more, but you will see me, because I live, you will live also, you are in me and I am in you.”

Jesus said, “I am in spirit and truth.” Again, what he says is perfectly clear.

The Bible says; You shall be like Jesus, for you shall see him as he is.

False Christians: People that do not know the truth and the life cannot call themselves Christians. Jesus says you have to know the truth and life to know him, be like him. It is what the Bible says literally; it is not an interpretation.

People that worship an image of a dead man do not know the truth and life.

Jesus said, “People honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. They worship me in vain, teaching the precepts and principles of men.”

The order is, [1] Knowing the truth. [2] knowing God. [3] Then have life. You cannot have live without knowing God.
Jesus said, This is eternal life, that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus whom thou has sent. Jn 17: 3.
John said, He that has the Son has life, he that doesn't have the Son doesn't have life. 1Jn 5: 12.

That is exactly what The Present says, that God as Jesus says is life itself that is with us always. Most so called Christian think they can only see God after they die, when God is here now. Most Christians worship a dead man, a graven image.

Most Christians that I know worship a living Jesus. Acts 3: 26, Acts 13: 32-33, Rev 1: 18.

[composer]

God&me, on May 6 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

Most Christians that I know worship a living Jesus. Acts 3: 26, Acts 13: 32-33, Rev 1: 18.

Well we know Jesus is living and currently sat at his God's RHS awaiting to be sent again to bring God's Judgment upon the living and the dead. (Matt. 24:36) KJV

Cheers.

[tedfrank7878]

composer, on May 5 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

tedfrank7878, on May 5 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

. . . . the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (John 14:10) KJV (My Bold)

Unless the God of Jesus gave Jesus life and authority, Jesus in himself would never have literally existed nor would Jesus have had any authority and in fact Jesus also admits he is totally incapable of having the inherent capacity to do any thing. -

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. (John 5:26 - 27) KJV

(NB: You can't ' give life ' to some thing that already literally exists.)

I can of mine own self do nothing: . . . . (John 5:30) KJV

Thank you

That very thing is said in the book The Present( with religion) we are discussing

[Richie]

We only care about one book on here. See the title of the forum.

[Jethro Tull]

Richie, on May 6 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

We only care about one book on here. See the title of the forum.

Hmmm... from what I have read so far, this book Ted is showing relates perfectly to this forum. It doesn't try to put down the Bible, it clearly says the truth is in the Bible, and attempts to reveal it. I think The Present (with religion) seems to be a legitimate, interesting perspective, and it pertains fully to the discussion of the truth in the Bible. Just a few thoughts =)

I have been busy these past few days, but from what I've read, this book seems quite profound. I think it's pretty cool that someone put this book together in an attempt to correctly interpret the Bible to reveal the truth. It's like separating the wheat from the chaff. I intend to read further sometime tonight when I have some free time!

[nsr]

We're not interested . If you're here to advertise, please don't bother. If you want to talk about the Bible, feel free, but please don't refer to your book in every single post.

[Richie]

Zero interest sorry.

Try discussing things on here instead.

[Matt Smith]

tedfrank7878, on May 5 2009, 10:22 PM, said:

granny, on May 5 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 02:54 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

Just because Jesus identifies himself as the truth and the life, it doesn't mean he is not also a man.
1Timothy 2:5
[indent]For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
[/indent]

As the book I quote points out on page 22, that man died two thosand years ago, but the truth and the life, the spirit and the truth. the things he says he is are here now. The point is not to worship a graven image of a man that died thosands of years ago.

Yes, that man died 2000 years ago, but he was also raised from the dead by Almighty God 2000 years ago. Also the passage pointed out to you was written after his resurrection, pointing to the fact that Jesus is still a man, however and immortalized man.

As another note, we worship God. Jesus we respect and honour and do our best to emulate in our daily lives.

[Matt Smith]

Jethro Tull, on May 6 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

Richie, on May 6 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

We only care about one book on here. See the title of the forum.

Hmmm... from what I have read so far, this book Ted is showing relates perfectly to this forum. It doesn't try to put down the Bible, it clearly says the truth is in the Bible, and attempts to reveal it. I think The Present (with religion) seems to be a legitimate, interesting perspective, and it pertains fully to the discussion of the truth in the Bible. Just a few thoughts =)

I have been busy these past few days, but from what I've read, this book seems quite profound. I think it's pretty cool that someone put this book together in an attempt to correctly interpret the Bible to reveal the truth. It's like separating the wheat from the chaff. I intend to read further sometime tonight when I have some free time!

Try reading the Bible instead.

[tedfrank7878]

Hudders, on May 6 2009, 08:57 AM, said:

Can I ask you something Ted? Are you just here to advertise your book?

It's not my book, just as the bible is not my book. but I am here to discuss both books. The Present (with religion) is the first new intrepretation of the bible I have seen and it make sense out of the bible to me. I think it is the apocolyps, which means the unveiling as it says on the first page of the Present with religion. It also says you need a open mind at the end of that first page. I am hoping there are some open minded people on this forum. I am looking for serious truth seekers, not people that just have blind faith. Jesus said you must be a seeker to find, but most people are not doing as he says. and seeking, they think they already know, and they no longer have to seek. I am just doing what Jesus says we have to do, and looking for others that are doing what he says to do.

[Richie]

I suggest you just discuss your ideas on here and STOP advertising your book.

[Jethro Tull]

Matt Smith, on May 6 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

Try reading the Bible instead.

Wouldn't have joined this forum if I didn't read the Bible.

Richie, on May 6 2009, 10:30 PM, said:

I suggest you just discuss your ideas on here and STOP advertising your book.

Although I can see where you're coming from Richie, it seems to me that this guy is discussing his ideas. I have to admit, I've never seen the interpretation before in the first post, and I've seen a lot of interpretations.. >.>
"Jesus said you must be a seeker to find, but most people are not doing as he says. and seeking, they think they already know, and they no longer have to seek. I am just doing what Jesus says we have to do, and looking for others that are doing what he says to do."
I dunno, maybe Ted is just doing what he feels is skillful and worthwhile.
How can you possibly know that his intent is to advertise the book?

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

I think it is the apocolyps, which means the unveiling as it says on the first page of the Present with religion. It also says you need a open mind at the end of that first page.

It is nice to know that you know the true meaning of the word apocalypse! Apocalypse = revealing/unveiling.
Let me ask you though, what do you think is the apocalypse??

[Lectron]

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

granny, on May 5 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 02:54 AM, said:

composer, on May 4 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

From the tenure of some of these Posts it seems some here mistakely believe that Jesus = God?

Is that the case?

Thanks

That is not what it says or what Jesus says. It says, and Jesus says, Jesus is the truth and the life, not God, the son of God, the son of man or anything else, he himself says he is "The truth and the Life".

Just because Jesus identifies himself as the truth and the life, it doesn't mean he is not also a man.
1Timothy 2:5
[indent]For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
[/indent]

As the book I quote points out on page 22, that man died two thosand years ago, but the truth and the life, the spirit and the truth. the things he says he is are here now. The point is not to worship a graven image of a man that died thosands of years ago.

but the scripture (1Timothy) was written years after the ascension - he is an immortalised man given divine powers.

[IDF]

Autizmzzzz

[tedfrank7878]

Jethro Tull, on May 6 2009, 08:02 PM, said:

Matt Smith, on May 6 2009, 06:35 PM, said:

Try reading the Bible instead.

Wouldn't have joined this forum if I didn't read the Bible.

Richie, on May 6 2009, 10:30 PM, said:

I suggest you just discuss your ideas on here and STOP advertising your book.

Although I can see where you're coming from Richie, it seems to me that this guy is discussing his ideas. I have to admit, I've never seen the interpretation before in the first post, and I've seen a lot of interpretations.. >.>
"Jesus said you must be a seeker to find, but most people are not doing as he says. and seeking, they think they already know, and they no longer have to seek. I am just doing what Jesus says we have to do, and looking for others that are doing what he says to do."
I dunno, maybe Ted is just doing what he feels is skillful and worthwhile.
How can you possibly know that his intent is to advertise the book?

tedfrank7878, on May 6 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

I think it is the apocolyps, which means the unveiling as it says on the first page of the Present with religion. It also says you need a open mind at the end of that first page.

It is nice to know that you know the true meaning of the word apocalypse! Apocalypse = revealing/unveiling.
Let me ask you though, what do you think is the apocalypse??

I think it is what it means, a revealing of hidden truths, I think books like The Present(with religion) represent the beginning of that revealing of hidden truths. I wish someone on this forum would just go to www.thetruthcontest.com and read the first ten pages of The Present(with religion)so we could discuss it.

[nsr]

Are you guys the same person?

Nobody on this forum wants to read your book.

[Jethro Tull]

nsr, on May 7 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Are you guys the same person?

No. If I had Ted's grammar, I would have failed out of my university the first quarter.

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Nobody on this forum wants to read your book.

Seems like quite a generalization. Tell me, how is it possible, practically speaking, to know the intent and even the veracity of those who create such sweeping explorations that you don't even try?

The words speak for themselves, the ideas have a momentum, and we can discuss it in good faith that it is meant to be taken seriously, just as you expect the Bible to be taken seriously.

Haven't you learned that judging a book by it's cover is nonsensical? There are many people who judge the Bible because of the people who follow it, and fail to read it and check it for themselves. You seem to be judging Ted's intent without actually checking The Present (with religion) for yourself. Just as people who refuse to read the Bible may miss out on some wonderful insights and lessons, you may miss out on some wonderful insights and lessons found in The Present.

Just a few honest, rational thoughts. =)

[nsr]

Jethro Tull, on May 7 2009, 07:48 PM, said:

No. If I had Ted's grammar, I would have failed out of my university the first quarter.

You seem to know an awful lot about each other

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Seems like quite a generalization. Tell me, how is it possible, practically speaking, to know the intent and even the veracity of those who create such sweeping explorations that you don't even try?

The users of this forum are only interested in reading the Bible. If you have any interesting thoughts, we're happy to discuss them.

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Haven't you learned that judging a book by it's cover is nonsensical? There are many people who judge the Bible because of the people who follow it, and fail to read it and check it for themselves. You seem to be judging Ted's intent without actually checking The Present (with religion) for yourself. Just as people who refuse to read the Bible may miss out on some wonderful insights and lessons, you may miss out on some wonderful insights and lessons found in The Present.

Well, if (as I suspect) you've signed up with two user-names to try and deceitfully promote your book, it doesn't say much for your honesty.