The "prince of this world," The Roman Emperor, had nothing against Jesus who had committed no crime and broken no state law. But the princes of this world, the political and religious authorities, were accustomed to persecute and even put to death any person who opposed them, regardless of any guilt or crime, just as King Herod did to John the Baptist.
Lucifer, Satan, "The Prince" and Beelzebub ware all separate fallen sons of God, and in that order of authority
The Jews used Pilate to kill Jesus, it was inevitable that they would reject the spiritual teaching about the spiritual kingdom. The Jews had hoped for an ill conceived material kingdom of Israel. "My kingdom is NOT
of this world". "The kingdom of heaven IS
See James Hastings (ed.), Dictionary of the Bible, (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1963), p. 936. The Amplified Old Testament, (Michigan: Zondervan Publishing House, 1962), comments in a footnote to Isaiah 14 as follows: ". . . the application of the name Lucifer to Satan, in spite of the long and confident teaching to that effect, is completely erroneous. . . . Nowhere in the Bible is Satan called Lucifer. The misapplication of the name has existed since the third century A.D., and is based on the false supposition that Luke 10:18 is an explanation of Isaiah 14:12 . . . It is the satanic king himself who is being addressed." p. 503. The J.W.'s, for example, have recognized the force of these arguments and now no longer in their official publications refer to Satan as "Lucifer", nor is Isaiah 14 cited in support of their belief that Satan is a fallen angel. (Extract taken from: Wrested Scriptures by Ron Abel)
* Satan isn't Lucifer, they were two different celestial beings.
* Isaiah was referencing a popular legend in his narrative referring to the fallen one as being responsible for the bondage of the Israelites under the rule of a Babylonian King. Jerome translated "morning star" as Lucifer. This legend of the evil one cast out of heaven was NOT created by Isaiah, he was referencing a common story which was already part of the universe of ideas in popular culture in that age. He tied the fallen devil with the oppression of a Babylonian king.
"As one of the brightest objects in the sky, Venus has been known since prehistoric times and as such has gained an entrenched position in human culture. It is described in Babylonian cuneiformic texts such as the Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, which relates observations that possibly date from 1600 BC.
The Babylonians named the planet Ishtar (Sumerian Inanna), the personification of womanhood, and goddess of love. The Ancient Egyptians believed Venus to be two separate bodies and knew the morning star as Tioumoutiri and the evening star as Ouaiti. Likewise believing Venus to be two bodies, the Ancient Greeks called the morning star Φωσφόρος, Phosphoros (Latinized Phosphorus), the "Bringer of Light" or Ἐωσφόρος, Eosphoros (Latinized Eosphorus), the "Bringer of Dawn". The evening star they called Hesperos (Latinized Hesperus) (Ἓσπερος, the "star of the evening"), but by Hellenistic times, they realized the two were the same planet. Hesperos would be translated into Latin as Vesper and Phosphoros as Lucifer ("Light Bearer"), a poetic term later used to refer to the fallen angel cast out of heaven.[b] The Romans would later name the planet in honor of their goddess of love, Venus, whereas the Greeks used the name of her Greek counterpart, Aphrodite (Phoenician Astarte).
To the Hebrews it was known as Noga ("shining"), Helel ("bright"), Ayeleth-ha-Shahar ("deer of the dawn") and Kohav-ha-'Erev ("star of the evening").
Venus was important to the Maya civilization, who developed a religious calendar based in part upon its motions, and held the motions of Venus to determine the propitious time for events such as war. They named it Noh Ek', the Great Star, and Xux Ek', the Wasp Star. The Maya were aware of the planet's synodic period, and could compute it to within a hundredth part of a day.
The Maasai people named the planet Kileken, and have an oral tradition about it called The Orphan Boy.
Venus is important in many Australian aboriginal cultures, such as that of the Yolngu people in Northern Australia. The Yolngu gather after sunset to await the rising of Venus, which they call Barnumbirr. As she approaches, in the early hours before dawn, she draws behind her a rope of light attached to the Earth, and along this rope, with the aid of a richly decorated "Morning Star Pole", the people are able to communicate with their dead loved ones, showing that they still love and remember them. Barnumbirr is also an important creator-spirit in the Dreaming, and "sang" much of the country into life."
War in heaven (Rev. 12: 7) KJV alludes to something similar -
HEAVEN. The Jews spoke of three heavens ; — (1.) The atmosphere, or lower region of the air, in which birds and vapors fly. Job xxxv. 11 ; Matt. xvi. 1. (2.) The expanse above, in which the stars are disposed, and which they seem to have thought was a solid concave. Matt. xxiv. 29. (3.) The habitation of God, where his power and glory are more immediately and fully manifested. Heaven is always the symbol of government ; the higher places in the political universe. The "kingdom of heaven," is the same as the kingdom of God, Matt. x. 7 ; Luke ix. 2 ; and is Messiah's reign on earth. See Psa. lxxii (i.e. 72:) ; Dan. vii. 14, 27 ; Matt. xxv. 31 — 34. (EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT Alphabetical Appendix)
Definition (3) is closest to the one outside of our range of vision or senses where the celestial beings, angels etc. work.
48"How do you know me?" Nathanael asked.
Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you."
49Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."
50Jesus said, "You believe[k] because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You shall see greater things than that." 51He then added, "I tell you[l] the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
There is nothing to say the Serpent Creature was inherently evil. The Lord said it was intelligent but unfortunately, being a beast, it was carnal and not spiritual.
I believe the Serpent told the truth the way it perceived it (probably having seen angels partake of the forbidden tree and coming to no harm) hence ' thou shalt not surely die ' (not realising angels were immortal already)
Adam was never deceived by the Serpent regardless. His own carnal lusts betrayed him.
Chickensoup, this is where I get the idea from that the anti Satan crowd think that Gods plan for this world was thwarted by a talking animal.
........and then God starts talking to the animal and curses him!
Edited by Colter, 10 November 2008 - 05:42 PM.