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Posted by RobertB , 04 January 2011 · 4,614 views

bible theology apologetics
By Tim at 6:20 PM
I've been saying for years, Salvation as taught by traditional Christianity, does not come with saying the "Sinner's Prayer"... ok ok I know alot of you will disagree because its been seared into your consciousness, but I still had to repost this (with permission)...believe what you will, but I can assure you if Salvation was a easy as repeating something someone else says and even comprehending it... wouldn't we or shouldn't we have this set up at every drive through window? I mean.. thats what much of modern day Christianity is about... fast, conveinent and cheap. It's a multibillion dollar industry and you the consumer are being fed junk food. But thats what many are seeking, a quick fix - just remember, you usually get what you pay for.

Article below:
by Pastor Ray Baumann. Ray.baumann@mac.com

Attention all churches! This is an information recall on the sinner's prayer that has been repeated over and over again for the last 100 years. This recall is an effort to repent before God for negligence in evangelism and to prevent more damage by producing more false converts. For years churches thought that all a person had to do was repeat a prayer to be saved. The "sinner's prayer" is not found anywhere in the New Testament, nor is there a single instance ofany sinner directed to pray for their salvation. In churches of all denominations, it is rare for people to mourn their sin. Instead, churchgoers are encouraged to just believe and repeat a prayer, which is meant to signify that they've accepted Christ as their personal savior.

The sinner's prayer goes a little like this:"Repeat after me, Jesus I now confess to you all of the wrong and sinful things that I have ever done in my life. I ask that you please forgive me and wash away all of my sins by the blood that you have personally shed for me on the cross. I am now ready to accept you as my personal Lord and Savior. I now ask that you come into my life and live with me for all of eternity. I now believe that I am truly saved and born again." Just believing in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian, just like believing in Osama Bin Ladin doesn't make you a terrorist. It is not a belief that recognizes someone's existence in history either, because even the devil believes in Christ. "You believe that God is one, you do well; the demons also believe, and shudder," James 2:19. It's abelief that changes who you are from the inside out.

This recall is exposing churches that make light of repentance and claim it is the same as faith, or redefine it so that it has nothing to do with sin. The sinner's prayer is not the Biblical pattern for evangelism. Churches that use this technique are following a manmade formula. Throughout history, Bible preachers and prophets have always proclaimed repentance. After extensive study and research it has been discovered that repeating a prayer does nothing. As a result, this recall will affect millions of churchgoers that have a false sense of eternal security because they have been affirmed by the local church for taking this action. We have found that repeating a sinner's prayer has no link to salvation in Jesus Christ. People affected by this recall include anyone who has ever attended church, a camp meeting and crusades and/or repeated the sinner's prayer.

As of Aug 31, 2007 there is an unofficial moratorium of the sinner's prayer.

Studies are showing that repeating the sinner's prayer has no saving power, no matter if it was repeated in front of one person or 10,000. No matter who led you in the prayer, whether it was Billy Graham or Bill Clinton, a signed pledge card will not save you. Salvation cannot be found through repeating a prayer. Action must be taken for those who trust their eternity to a repeated prayer to save them from the judgment to come. Effective immediately, every person must examine themselves as instructed in 2 Corinthians 13:5. "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves; that Jesus Christ is in you unless indeed you fail the test?" Has there been a change in your life?

This recall will be very costly for the church and they may or may not embrace this message. It will be too embarrassing for many churches to find out that the majority of their attendees are unsaved. There will be a clear, defining line between believers and make-believers. Many will continue in cheapening the gospel message that makes a mockery out of Christianity. There is a big difference between thinking you are saved and being born again. Someone who is truly born again identifies with the sacrifice Christ made on the cross for their sin. The debt that they could not pay and an eternal gratitude exists that reprioritizes one's life.

True saving faith (belief) is followed by obedience to the Word of God. It's a dying to self and to sin to protect the new relationship with an Almighty God. A believer's testimony is more than recalling a prayer that was recited. It must recall the events that brought them to the realization of the sin in their life and that their greatest need is to be forgiven by repenting and turning from their old life and walking with Christ.

For further self examinations please see1 John 5:1
~ Distributed by ChristianWorldviewNetwork.com

Topcat Jimmy
Feb 17 2012 05:04 PM
Guys, I gotta say, first of all, Thankyou for obviously allowing me to discuss this with you, seeing that its an Open Forum. I'd like to address your claims. Personally, A Person's Faith shall prove to either be; Correct or Inaccurate. And it shall be proven and stand or fall, both here in this lifetime as well as, of course, The Next. ......anyway, "BELIEVING IN" or Knowing About, are two extremely different things. As you say; "True Saving Faith, is followed by obedience to The Word of God". Are yous even really hearing & listening to your ownselves, and reading what youre writing? Look, when yous go to SHAKE Someones Faith like that, of what they already Belive that theyre Saved, by having said The Sinners Prayer, thats Not of GOD. Look, as the Ol' saying goes, "There Are TWO Things that I know, #1; There IS (A) GOD, and #2; Im Not Him". (unquote) oh please make that three things, Neither Are Yous Nor is Anyone Else, not here on this Earth there Aint. ...What Im saying is this; yas can Preach & "RECALL" All yas want, But The One True & Only GOD, clearly states in His Infallible & Inspired Word; The Holy Bible, pure & simple; in Romans 10:9-10 & 13, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation....For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". (unquote) so as I was saying; Done, that simple, SAVED. Obviously this about GOD Stuff, so lets let GOD do His thing, lets see what He says about All of these issues <<which we just did), & every issue for that matter, and mostly re; the ones to do with Christianity. Gods The AUTHORITY, The Alpha, Omega, (and whatever good in between) The Almighty. Yea & Jesus Did Cry Out saying; Tetelestai; IT IS FINISHED. And yea, asking God for Forgiveness is prerequisite & mandatory also, IF one can & does have that opportunity. Ya ever hear the saying; "GOD Said It, I Believe it, and That Settles It".? Well, GOD Did Say It....and whether you, I, or anyone else for that matter attempt to Refute that; (ie: not belieiving it) then; Houston We have A Problem. anyway, GOD Said It.....And THAT Settles It !!! , ...whether you, I, or anyone else Believes WHAT He Said or Not, that does NOT Change Gods TRUTHS. So NO, No Sinners Prayer Recall Necessary. Hey, whay are yous doing for God to lead people to Salvation? telling them theyll jsut have to wait till they Die, before theyll know one way or the other? What?! Thats NO ASSURANCE. That Aint The True GOD, Guys, yous got a whole lot of things to repent of & unlearn. And then freshly realize The Truth thru Revelation from God, which Aint difficult by the way, The Revelation that is. READ Your Bibles Better. Youre spreading borderline Heresy, to say the least. well, ok, thats all I got to say for now. thankyou BDF
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