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#1 Jason

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 01:00 AM

This really is a random question - albeit one I'm sure has been asked here before:

Theoretically speaking, if someone (not Christ) lived a sinless life, would they still die? Why or why not?

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:49 AM

This really is a random question - albeit one I'm sure has been asked here before:

Theoretically speaking, if someone (not Christ) lived a sinless life, would they still die? Why or why not?


It perhaps has been raised before, the comment or question, maybe too far buried now - or too many posts with search "key words" ...

Looking at it from a human perspective, and man is mortal:

The person would still age in accordance within the normal confines of man being born, living, aging, and then dying - being sinless wouldn't stop that process (Jesus still aged), but, if he was obedient to our Heavenly Father in all aspects, then like Jesus - the grave wouldn't be able to hold the person because it would contradict a Divine principle, but when that resurrection, the re-animation took place, it would be up to our Heavenly Father.

Similar, if Jesus hadn't been crucified and lived out his life - sinless - would he have died?

Adam and Eve ... would they still be alive ... had they not sinned in the Garden? Though they were created very good ... would they have eventually died?

Interesting to ponder, but what is certainty - only the knowledge that Jesus has been the only one who has served His Father in a perfect manner, and in so doing there was reconciliation.
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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:56 AM

They'd die because they are mortal.

It's the state of being dead that is the punishment for sin, not the actual process of dying. I would, in theory, expect someone who had the opportunity to sin and never did, to die but not remain dead. As Kay says however, it would be up to God to decide.
"But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect..." (Heb 12:22-23)

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 02:36 PM

Thanks to you both for taking the time to answer. I appreciate it.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:41 PM

BTW, do you have a reference for "the grave wouldn't be able to hold the person because it would contradict a Divine principle"?

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 11:21 PM

BTW, do you have a reference for "the grave wouldn't be able to hold the person because it would contradict a Divine principle"?


The quotes, really relate to Jesus - but Jesus as the only sinless man, if another was also sinless, obeying the Heavenly Father in all aspects of their life, then one would expect the same principles to apply and just a few verses, more Acts 2:24:

Genesis 2:17 "in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"

Acts 2:24 "But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him."

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 02:10 PM

Perfect, thanks Kay.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 02:24 PM

Perfect, thanks Kay.


Not a problem, however, the response was hypothetical.

A number of years ago, here in Australia - error was promoted and in regard to:

1. The error of the possibility in every saint of total, unfailing sinlessness by the power of faith.

2. The error that no strength was given to Jesus by the Divine begettal to aid him to overcome sin.

3. Disruptive conduct in the agitation of error.

Hence, we have to be careful, and in regard to another, a sinless man other than our Lord Jesus Christ ... I will upload the file, the discussion in CBMResources.org - regarding the problem areas as was seen then.

The link is:

A Reply to Error on The Feasibility Of Unfailing Righteousness
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Posted 22 November 2011 - 02:41 PM

BTW, if you aren't a member of CBMResources.org ... the password for that section is:

Database is also available for Guest viewing. The Green Hymn Book provides the password - Hymn 165 - Hymn Name and Page Number - Case Sensitive - No Gaps - Example: ABC123


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